Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 15, 2002 3:32 PM |
tebjlc |
I would like to glean some opinions. My System: Powermac 9500 w/Sonnet 800MHZ G4 upgrade 384 Megs Ram 2 firewire External drives 2 SCSI internal drives (2 gig,MacOS 8.6 ,9 Gig Macos 9.1/10.2.2) on fast internal bus 1 40 gig ATA100 drive (Macos 9.1/10.1.5) on Sonnet Tempo ATA100 (Promise Chipset) PCI card Adaptec Fireconnect 4300 Firewire Card SIIG USB card ATI Radeon 7000PCI Video Card (32Meg) ATI Mach64 (OEM) PCI Video Card Pinnacle DC20 MJPEG Video I/O PCI card I was contemplating replacing my OEM CDROM (SCSI I think) with a Pioneer DVR-A04 internal ATAPI DVD/RW on bus 2 of the Tempo ATA100 card. My Questions: 1.Do I have enough PCI bandwidth to support DVD Video burning on the Sonnet ATA100 card, and has anyone done this successfully?(Firmware update 2.3.9 on the card) 2.Has anyone made a similar setup work,and if so what problems did you encounter? Thanks in advance.... |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 05, 2003 2:08 AM |
jslewis |
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I got the Sonnet 133 card and the burner now burns DVD's and CD just fine. Thanks to everyone on this fourm. I have not heard the promise chip discussed too much anywhere else and I do belong to some rather good fourms besides this one, so ya are kicking ass, support wise. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 7:10 PM |
jslewis |
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The drive burned beautifully in a B&W G3, I burned a 2.6+ GB DVD image I had made and a data CDR. I did some housework to repay that friend with the B&W. I'm going to try a very few things with my computer (changing cables, etc.) just to be sure the problem is the ATA-66 card. After that I will probably purchace a promise based card. I almost don't want another sonnet product but if it works I'll take it. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 5:24 PM |
marcush |
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jslewis, I have a question. Are you running 10.2.3? If so, then support for the drive is included in the Pioneer device plugin-file. If not then you can either update to 10.2.3 or use hexedit to add support by editing the device plug-in. If you are on 10.2.3 and the drive is not functioning then it seems that there is probably a problem with it. Testing it at your friend's place should confirm the state of the drive. I have an ACARD ATA/133 that I replaced with the Sonnet card. I never had any audio issues with it. Same thing with the Sonnet card. It does not have any problems in my Power Tower Pro either. I can see where the Trio card would have a problem. There are 3 different busses on the card and it undoubtedly uses a lot of PCI bandwidth. Perhaps too much for the 33Mhz capacity of our old machines to handle in one card. One last thing about the promise based cards (Sonnet ATA 100, 133, Trio). They are based on the Ultratek cards apparently. In Apple System Profiler my Tempo ATA/100 is reported as an "Ultratek 100+". There are drivers included with OSX for these cards. If you look at the extensions tab of ASP down at the bottom of the list are Ultratek 33, 66, 100, and 133 kext files. So, Apple does provide native support in OSX. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 2:54 PM |
egonzales21 |
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The SIIG 133 card is an Acard. In my previous post that was the ATA133 card I used. Though a good performer, Could boot off drives in 9 and X and also use CDRW or Combo DVD/CRW drives without problems. But for audio it definately looks like Promise base chips are better, A downside is that their support is not built in totally into OS X like Acard so one has to wait for a firmware update to get this support. This is what happened to the Promise based cards when 10.2 arrived. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 2:14 PM |
jslewis |
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It's good to know about the trio. I think I would settle for just the tempo 133 as I already have FW&USB. I will take the 105 drive to a friends tonight and install it on the built in ATA bus of a B&W G3 and see if the problems go away. If they do then I know the drive isn't defective and can shop for a new ATA card. Yes my ATA-66 card shows the drive as SCSI to the system but it is not even good as a CD burner. I can read and play CD's and DVD's just fine (Patched player's for OS9 and X). I cannot burn a CD or DVD with toast 5.2, the finder, itunes or anything -- in OSX or 9. Of the currently shipping ATA cards what are promised based??? Sonnet Tempo ATA/133-- I understand this card is promise based.. but this dumb compression of OF drivers and incompatibility with other cards seems scary. I already have a Radeon 7000 and Sonnet tango USB/FW card. I'm already unhappy with sonnet support and updates on my current ATA-66 card and the tango... SIIG Ultra ATA/133 PCI-- looks a lot like an Acard 133 card... Acard 133-- I know the Acard 100 wasn't promise based from this thread and Acard is proud of their own custom chips and unlikely to use third party chips... Any other promise cards out??? Any news of Audio stutter fixes incorporated in these cards for OSX on Old world Macs? |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 1:13 PM |
egonzales21 |
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I own a Trio card and it is indeed Promise based. I cannot attest to its function with iDVD but in preliminary tests vs a previous card I owned, an Acard 133, the Promise chip handles audio much better. The bad news is that the Trio uses up apparently alot of OF memory space when loading which makes it hard to have other cards in the mix. In my 7500 I cannot run it without having another slot empty or have to run in with 2 other cards that have simple functions, a dual channel SCSI or a dual head video like ATTO UL2D and Radeon 7000 respectively will not work. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 12:33 PM |
marcush |
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If your drives attached to the card are reported as SCSI devices in Apple System Profiler then you are not likely to have any luck with the 105 other than as a CD burner. Also, I'd like to correct an earlier response of mine. I recently found out that the Trio card also uses the promise chip so I assume that it and the Tempo 133 will also enable iDVD to work with an internally installed superdrive. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
January, 01, 2003 11:14 AM |
jslewis |
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I have the Pioneer 105 drive and I am trying to eliminate some problems. Is anyone running this drive with a Sonnet/Acard ATA-66 non-Promise card??? I can read all sorts of disks fine but can't burn anything. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
December, 22, 2002 9:55 PM |
marcush |
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From what I've read the Trio is not based on the Promise chip so this would not work for you, unfortunately. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
December, 22, 2002 3:18 PM |
spharrin |
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Quick question: Would this also work with a Sonnet Trio card? I am unfamiliar whether or not it is Promise chip based. Thanks |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
December, 21, 2002 9:27 PM |
marcush |
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I finally got a Sonnet ATA/100 card from ebay and have now had an opportunity to try and duplicate tebjlc's feat. Well, I am happy to report that iDVD does work with a Pioneer DVR-A04 installed internally in my Power Tower Pro. The key is the promise chip that the ATA 100/133 cards use. I have not tried this with an 133 card but I feel certain that it would work also. I still have to do a test burn but I have no doubt that it will be a success. ASP reports the Pioneer drive as an ATAPI device and my Western Digital 80GB SE and IBM 120GB 120GXP drives as ATA devices. My Acard ATA/100 card had all devices attached to it defined as SCSI devices. This is great! |
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Update:DVD-burning w/IDVD on 9500/G4/800 |
December, 16, 2002 5:42 PM |
tebjlc |
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Just wanted to report: I 've been successfully burning both video and data ,DVD-R and DVD-RW ,inToast Titanium and IDVD on an internal (tempo ATA100 attachd) pioneer DVR-A04. IDVD seems to like 10.2.2 better than 10.1.5 ( I burned one coaster in Toast in 10.1.5 when the OS locked up) and I have had one mysterious underburn in IDVD under 10.2.2 when only the first 27 minutes of a 58 minute file burned to disc; upon using a different brand DVD-R IDVD burned the file correctly,so it could be the discs... All in all, the experience has been pretty seamless so far.. not bad for a hotrodded antique..! |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
December, 02, 2002 7:08 PM |
marcush |
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Excellent news!!! I have a Sonnet ATA/133 card on order. The ATA/100 cards seem to have been discontinued. The 133 is based on the same Promise chip so I expect to have similar results. I'll report my results in a few days. Otherwise, I'll be scrounging e-bay for an Tempo ATA/100 card. |
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WE HAVE BURN! iDVD works!!!! |
December, 02, 2002 4:14 PM |
tebjlc |
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Update:I successfully burned 1 DVD in 10.1.5 and 1 DVD in 10.2.2 using iDVD 2.1 on my 9500/sonnet G4800/TempoATA100/DVR- A04 !! The render from Imovie to iDVD format,and the encoding in iDVD was a bit slow..but the fact that it works at all on a 9500 is just so COOL... I can now see that 512MB or more additional RAM would be very beneficial in aiding general system and render speeds.. but still ..I'm not complaining..! Thanks all in this forum (especially Ryan) for getting me this far.... |
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Update/Pioneer DVR-A04 Seen as ATAPI by 10.1.5 (!) |
November, 26, 2002 9:42 PM |
tebjlc |
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I haven't gotten any further than installing the drive yet,but : 1.Apple System Profiler in 10.1.5 sees the Pioneer as an ATAPI device 2.I used it to successfully install iDVD 2.1 to my 10.1.5 drive 3.System Profiler sees the Pioneer as CD Burner compatible. Odd thing is that 10.1.5 sees my Tempo ATA100 card as a SCSI card... but the drive as an ATAPI device... I'll see what happens in 10.2.2 tonight,and try to actually burn something..so far so good...(?!) |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 19, 2002 4:02 PM |
marcush |
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The only way I know of how to get it, apart from purchasing it, are extracting it from an Apple restore CD or downloading it from Limewire where it's freely available. I tried the latter then bought an official copy to get the full package. The full install is over 1Gig and comes on a DVD. The copies you get on Limewire don't have all of the cool backgrounds. I can get my copy to launch and create a project with the "iDVD 2 no Superdrive" patch applied, but it won't burn because iDVD does not recognize my DVR-104 connected to either my firewire/usb card or the Acard ATA/100 card. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 19, 2002 3:31 PM |
tebjlc |
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I ordered a DVR-A04 yesterday....Haven't ordered iDVD yet.. Is there a download link for the IDVD app ,or do you have to get it on CD from Apple? I see upgrade links, but none for the app itself... Anyhow..I'll post my progress as soon as I get the drive and iDVD installed..Keep your fingers crossed.... : ) |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 19, 2002 2:15 AM |
marcush |
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Please let me know by posting here or emailing me whether or not you can get iDVD running with the DVR-104 installed internally. If so then I'll have to get a Sonnet card and sell my Acard ATA/100. |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 18, 2002 4:13 PM |
tebjlc |
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Interesting...my ATA100 card appears as SCSI in 10.1.5 and as ATA in 10.22..So now I need to figure out whether to go the cheap route(Bare DVR -A04/ATA100/iDVD) and only be able to do DVD Video in 10.2.2, or the EXPENSIVE route (External Firewire DVR-104/DVD Studio Pro) for compatibility with both "X" versions..I Might just buy the bare drive, and if necessary mount it in one of my external Firewire enclosures..that'd save a few bucks if I need to buy DVD Studio Pro.....: ( Anyone aware of any patches to 10.1.5 that might allow the ATA100 card to be seen as an ATA device ? I'm running firmware update 2.3.9 /Promise chipset.... |
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RE: Pioneer DVR-A04/ATAPI/ Sonnet Tempo ATA100? |
November, 15, 2002 5:30 PM |
marcush |
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You should be able to burn DVD's with your system. I have a DVR-104 firewire drive that I bought from OWC to get the iDVD enabler (missed by a few days). I installed it temporarilly in my Power Tower Pro to see if iDVD would recognize it but had no luck. I think the problem is that my Acard ATA/100 appears as a SCSI bus to the system. Does your Sonnet card appear as SCSI or IDE? If it appears as IDE then iDVD could possibly work. Right now I use my drive in the firewire case with DVD Studio Pro but would like to use iDVD, so I have a mind to try it again with 10.2.2. The only thing that I think might be lacking with your system is the amount of RAM. MPEG encoding and the DVD burning are very processor and memory intensive. I'd definitely bump up the RAM to your max. You'll also notice improved system performance as a result. Here are my specs: Power Tower Pro: Sonnet G4/800, 1Gig RAM, Acard ATA/100, Macsense 10/100 Ethernet, Ratoc Firewire/USB 2.0, ATTO UL2D Ultra2 SCSI, ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB, 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500; internal IDE Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD/CD-RW (16x10x40+12xDVD), WD 80GB SE 7200rpm ATA/100 (10.2.2, 9.2.2, 9.1, Classic), Quantum Plus AS 30GB 7200rpm ATA/100 (10.2.2, 9.2.2, 9.1, Classic), IBM 120GXP 120GB 7200rpm ATA/100, 4.5GB IBM DCHS 7200rpm UW SCSI (10.1.5), 4.5GB IBM DCHS 7200rpm UW SCSI (9.1, Classic), 2x 9.1GB IBM DGHS UW SCSI (Softraid RAID 0 stripe), 60 GB IBM 120GXP 7200rpm ATA/100 Firewire, Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-R Firewire) Of the internal hard drives I usually only have the IDE drives running at any one time. Otherwise, the machine is so loud it sounds like jet engine on idle. I'm transitioning off of the 30Gig Quantum. It'll make its way into that Tivo I'm going to get sooner or later. |