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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 9:31 AM |
anomia |
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Could someone please post the urls to this topic at xlr8 and elsewhere. Thanks |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 7:39 AM |
tomquinlan |
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I'm running the Mac Radeon 7000 with two 15" (running at 800x600) and the PC Radeon 7000 64mb with a 19" (running at 1024x768). I'm using 1024 x 768 (rather than a higher resolution) because it support a refresh rate of 90Hz which eliminates scan interference from the two flanking monitors. When I flashed the PC Radeon it also updated the Mac Radeon 7000, and both are working fine. I don't see why two Radeon 64mb's wouldn't work just as well (if not better since you are using two 19"ers). At work we are running a Radeon 9700 Pro AGP and two Radeon 64mb PCI cards in one PC to demonstrate multi monitors with 3 Flat Panel LCD's and it's working great, although it took several hours of putzing around with ATI's software before we got it to recognize the extra monitors. It should be alot smoother on the Mac. I would go for it. The second 64mb Radeon made a huge difference in performance for my setup. Aqua is silky smooth as are all of the Screen Effects. Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 1:05 AM |
bannonth |
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Ok I saw one person running a dual port Radeon 7000 Mac Ed. Is anyone using dual flashed 64Mb Radeon 7000 PC's? I've got a Mac Ed 7000 running two Sony 19" monitors right now and it was working very well. These are in my 9600 G4/800 running 10.2. I used XPF to do the install and had things worked out well...set boot output device to the monitor connected to the DVI port (through adapter) gave me the grey apple screen on that monitor and then both screens appeared with the blue screen. I was running both monitors at 1600x1200 or something like that. I would get some problems rebooting into OS 9. Both monitors would be recognized but one would remain black yet have the desktop on it...hard to get to icons if you can't see them ! At one point I think I had fixed this with an ATI driver for a different card but I forget which. There may be an updated driver for the 7000 to fix this now..but anyway... Well due to some other problems I decided to wipe both my OS 9.1 drive and the 10.2 one... After running for a few months without problems I was back to the horror of installing 10.2. A different problem every time I re-tried XPF! And different ones even when i'd reboot with no changes in procedure! I'd originally installed Jag on my 7600 before moving the drives and cards to the 9600 so I tried that. Same thing, random problems but it finally worked. Now I am running dual monitors on the 7000 again (haven't enabled Quartz again yet). But I can't get the one to go past 800x600 - this is the one connected to the VGA port. Anyone else running something similar??? I don't remember doing anything special to get these both working besides selecting the one during XPF bootup. I've ordered a 64MB 7000 PC. Might throw a third monitor on this monster or buy a second 64MB card and see if there's an improvement over two monitors on 32MB. I did see a slight drop in performance when i added the second monitor to the Mac Ed (Quartz seemed to help a bit, but not much). Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 23, 2003 10:18 PM |
tomquinlan |
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I would like to chime in and say that when I flashed my Radeon on the PC the monitor was hooked up to the Radeon and it was being used for video until the process was over and we rebooted. At that time it no longer worked in the PC which was a "good" sign that we had successfully installed the Mac ROM. So I guess I would be number 7 of a group that has booted from the Radeon. Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 23, 2003 5:26 PM |
willschou1 |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) March, 22, 2003 5:14 PM nickis_que . willschou1, This is the process put forth in the Info700.rtf which was included with the Flashrom.exe reminder X is 0 unless you have another ATI card on the machine. You cannot be running off the ATI card in order to flash it and the PC cannot have onboard video or it will always boot off the ATI. I have used this process 2 times and it works great. good luck Nickis end of Quote I am sure you are trying to help but....The above info is not correct. It is possible to boot off the card being flashed on the PC. In fact on some machines with some hardware it is the way to do it! I know of at least 6 people flashing the card this way.Machines with on board video can flash the card using this method . Some machines with AGP Video cards refuse to bbot with the PC Radeon card installed. The fix is to remove the AGP video card and boot from the PC Radeon card. Also people who get errors when trying to flash the card often find booting from the card to be flashed works withour errors. There are now new Mac ROMS on the german forum site which are one step ROM flashing. No longer need to do a second flash on the MAC. Note to person who refuses to belive his Rage pro card hasn't been flashed. You can't be helped if you won't believe the truth! The rage pro does use a rom update file which is installed on your machine and loaded at startup. This file may now be missing or changed. Re-installing ATI drivers for your Rage Pro card should fix this issue.You could test your card if you had another machine or a friends machine. best of luck. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 22, 2003 5:14 PM |
nickis_que |
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willschou1, This is the process put forth in the Info700.rtf which was included with the Flashrom.exe reminder X is 0 unless you have another ATI card on the machine. You cannot be running off the ATI card in order to flash it and the PC cannot have onboard video or it will always boot off the ATI. I have used this process 2 times and it works great. good luck Nickis ---------------------------- Put the ATI 7000 PCI in an free PCI Slot Boot the PC into DOS (or in WIN restart with Restart into DOS) FLASHROM -i shows all ATI Cards in the System , if more than one Card is in the System be CAREFULL!!! remember the number of the ATI 7000 card (ID 5159) , if no other ati card : 0 (zero) zeigt Info + Nummer des PCI-Slots an x FLASHROM -s x pc7K.bin NR , meist 0 statt x !!! (erst Rom sichern) first make a backup of the pc7000 rom, better if something goes wrong?put the found Nr from the first command (mostly zero) in case of the X partytime! FLASHROM -pm x mac7K.bin -f (neues Rom schreiben, evtl. Abfragen mit y beantworten) flash the ati with the mac rom. THIS MAC ROM DOESN´T WORK !!!! It´s only function is that you can use the orig. ATI 208 UPDATER (from ATI /MAC) put the card into the MAC connect the display to the old card (or build in card) start ATI 208 ROM UPDATER 7000 (this wiil also install the ATI ROM EXTENDER 1.3.3) after flashing: if you dont have: put the OpenGL 1.2.4 (Apple) Drivers in the systemextensions folder MAKE A BACKUP OF ALL ATI DRIVERS (especially the ATI ROM Extender) ? maybe the ATI DRIVER INSTALL overwrites some (the ATI ROM EXTENDER 1.3.3 SURE !). install ATI oktober update (you will getting a newer OpenGL ATI Renderer ) check if all Extensions are newer ones (than the backup before ATI OKTOBER UPDATE) shut of the mac connect the display to the ATI 7000 start mac. change resolution / HZ/ Colours Have fun There is a newer ATI update (ATI 9000 update) which have a newer OpenGL ATI RENDERER , but i think that you can use the okt ATI DRIVERS |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) reg mapping error |
March, 22, 2003 12:38 PM |
lexxel |
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I booted into DOS and that seems to work better... but when i go to save the pc rom i get progress and then a "reg. mapping error" maybe this means my pc is too old (P1 with the older ram), and the pci bridge wont do it. btw, when i was talking about the 208 rom update also updating my ati rage card, i meant i did the update on my mac, and yes, the rage card no longer works. If I can find a rage rom somewhere i could likely update it back. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 21, 2003 10:30 PM |
willschou1 |
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"RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) March, 21, 2003 8:03 PM lexxel . The radeon still works in a pc. Nothing happened during the flashing. Now, according to a semi local pc/mac guru guy using a WIN98 disk should make NO DIFFERENCE, seeing how the flashing is being done in dos, and the win98 boot disk boots up to that first. Also, according to same, the device ID would no way never ever be just 'zero'..."end Quote: Maybe a Win 98 boot disk would work....but it hasn't for you! If you have a machine with Win 98 rebooting into Dos is easy. Go to start menue click on shut down then on the next screen chose re-boot into MS Dos. The put the floppy with the files on it in the machine.The person who told you the device ID would never be "Zero" has just let slip that he shouldn't be helping you. HE KNOWS ZERO ON THE SUBJECT! Zero is in fact the default device ID number if the machine only has 1 ATI Video card in it. "So, I believe bc the nothing at all has happened to the card, i simply had the wrong device ID. Of course I cant get the dammed device ID, bc the screen flys by in DOS so fast, even trying numerous times to hit "pause" I couldnt catch it in time." Do you have the text file with the info on how to do this? It seems you must not! The correct command as listed will give you the info you need. the german site has a file called "7000combopci.sit" This one has all the info you need help files that can be read in both OS 9 and X and all the files needed including files to make a Dos boot floppy. I started looking and decided I didn't have the time to look for you. It's not in the first 4 pages and there are now 24 pages. "I also took the card to a local pc store and asked them to find the device ID for the card. THEY COULDNT DO IT EITHER!" Clearly this is a shop to stay away from in the future! Do you have all the files that you need? You shouldn't be depending on the PC startup info to get the Device info. However a good PC shop would be able to get the needed info from there ;-) You need the flash files, Flash program and info on how to do it which includes the command to use in Dos. It sounds like you maybe missing some of this? They are all in the above listed file. The device ID : will most likely be 0 or 1.It won't hurt anything to use the wrong ID number it just won't work unless there is a second Radeon 7000 card in the machine in which case it could flash that card. Please note your Rage Video card was not flashed by the Mac ROM 208 file. It has safe guards bulit in so that it will only work with a Radeon 7000 card for this very reason. Your card that doesn't work could be loose in the slot or perhaps damaged by moving around or something else unknown to me. PC's are a drag to work with and have many hardware issues that make this less simple then it should be. Sorry there are only so many hours in the day and only so much that can be done by email. Best of luck |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 21, 2003 8:03 PM |
lexxel |
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The radeon still works in a pc. Nothing happened during the flashing. Now, according to a semi local pc/mac guru guy using a WIN98 disk should make NO DIFFERENCE, seeing how the flashing is being done in dos, and the win98 boot disk boots up to that first. Also, according to same, the device ID would no way never ever be just 'zero'... So, I believe bc the nothing at all has happened to the card, i simply had the wrong device ID. Of course I cant get the dammed device ID, bc the screen flys by in DOS so fast, even trying numerous times to hit "pause" I couldnt catch it in time. Apparently there are PC's that list the PCI cards, which slots theyre in , and the device ID's as they start up... unfortunately mine does NOT do this. I also took the card to a local pc store and asked them to find the device ID for the card. THEY COULDNT DO IT EITHER! So, I would really appreciate it if certain posters could drop the "it's easy to do and figure out just read the forum" bullshit responses. OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT EASY OR STRAIGHTFORWARD if even the local pc shop couldnt get the dammed DEvice ID. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 21, 2003 7:54 PM |
lexxel |
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Yes, the updater flashed the rage pro card. No extensions, etc, are missing or turned off. Bf running updater, card worked, after running it, card doesnt work. Seems pretty obvious to me. It must have updated the rage's rom. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 21, 2003 3:41 PM |
willschou1 |
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"RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) March, 21, 2003 1:59 PM mjoecups358 . The ATI 208 flasher wouldn't accidently update your rage pro. You can still put the Radeon back in the PC and flash it again. In fact if you use the full 208 rom, you don't need any additional flashing once it gets to the Mac. If you have more info about what you actually did, I'll try to help. Marty " I agree completely with the above. I'd like to add no you can't use the Win 98 Boot disk. If you were to read the info available on the german forum site this info is listed there. I do realize there is a lot of info there and some is outdated and some are just ideas that don't work. Think of it as an open source project with new info arriving as the project moves forward. At this point the project is pretty much done. The fact that you could provide the spaces should have warned you something was wrong and not to continue. However it should be possible to fix everything. The Rage Pro card well there is no way the flasher would have flashed that card so if it's not working something else happened. Maybe the software to run it is now missing or turned off? Best of luck |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 21, 2003 1:59 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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The ATI 208 flasher wouldn't accidently update your rage pro. You can still put the Radeon back in the PC and flash it again. In fact if you use the full 208 rom, you don't need any additional flashing once it gets to the Mac. If you have more info about what you actually did, I'll try to help. Marty |
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more horror |
March, 21, 2003 1:31 PM |
lexxel |
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a had a very bad feeling about this whole thing, guess i should have trusted that... i reAlize a lot of ppl have had no problems getting there cards to work... i guess i am just not a pc person, and had real trouble with the german/esl forum and instructions... the spaces I mentioned are a big problem.. if the instructions are saying "type exactly this" and they include spaces, and when one types the spaces nothing happens... it gets VERY confusing... and I know nothing about DOS to be able to 'figure it out myself' I was suing a windows 98 boot disk witht he files on it... It was never clear on this site or on the german forum whether one could use a 98 boot disk, or whther it had to be a dos boot disk... i have no idea how to make a dos disk, so i just usd the 98 disk. Or maybe the device id is wrong.. but its the only ati card in the pc... the other video card is some old crap thing. If anyone has any advice I'd sure like to hear it. My emAIl is lexxel@sent.com |
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HORROR |
March, 21, 2003 12:47 PM |
lexxel |
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well... I used control s to try to stop the listing flying by, and it didnt stop it.. so i couldnt see the device ID column... so I just used zero.... well... everything seemed to go ok on the pc, at least, it was doing _something_ in there... well so I put the card in my mac, and run the 208 rom... of course i forget i have a RAGE card in there, so it got flashed. But the big horror here is that the RADEON card didnt flash, it appears to work, in that the updater runs fine, but cant boot with the card, and when i use my voodoo card to boot up and check apple sys profiler, the radeon card is reported as having no rom (zero). So... shit. What can I do now>>? can I fix this expensive radeon card> ? can i fix the rage card or is that garbage? The pc comands... for example the flashrom-i.. in the step by step listed here there is a space between flashrom and -i, but when you put in the space, nothing happens... so when I was putting in the flashrom-s and flashrom-pm commands I again left no space... maybe this fucked the card...? Or maybe using ID zero? it went like this flashrom-pm space zero space mac7k.bin-f or maybe i put spaces in there i dont know now... going to try again... fuck this sucks |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 20, 2003 11:04 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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if it's the only ATI card in the system it's 0 (zero). Otherwise you can use control s to stop the listing that flies by, if that is what's happening... Welcome to the hell land of DOS. Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 20, 2003 10:51 PM |
lexxel |
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I am having some trouble flashing my card... I have the boot disk and files all ready... I boot up the pc with the floppy, radeon installed, get to the A prompt, type flashrom-i and I get a lot of text happening... ending with instructions... ok but no column with device ID's... or if it's there, it's up above all the instructions and I cant see it on my 14" montior... i try page up, arrow keys, no way i can see to get the screen to scroll... what am i doing wrong here? How do I see the device ID? I have a 64MBDDR card.... |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 17, 2003 3:27 AM |
willschou1 |
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Quote: "geo4u911 . I have read this discussion and the German board. To be more specific is it possible to boot a ME cd into DOS on a Machine that has Win2000 Pro on it that I can't get into because it is password protected and the owner has died. I also have a copy of Partiton Magic 7. THX" I'm not sure but I'd say no. Win Me and Win 2000 don't run in nor have true DOS as opposed to emulated Dos. Which can't be used to run the software which flashes these cards. It is possible to make a floppy disk which has dos and the needed files on it. This can be used to boot the machine and is the way to do it on machines which have Win ME, Win 2000 or Win XP on them. It maybe that it would also boot the machine you have. I'm not sure but it would be worth a try. I regret I can't spend more time helping you. There are only so many hours in the day. I have also tryed helping a number of people who can't be helped at least by me ;-) All the files needed including the ones needed for making a dos boot floppy are located on the german site. Those willing to search and help themslves are provided for. As for sending to someone else to flash there is of course the postage needed both ways. A local PC shop maybe happy to do for you if you could somehow take the needed files and the card to them. best of luck |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 16, 2003 3:46 PM |
geo4u911 |
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Anybody willing to flash my card for me. R7000 64mb DDR. How much would you want? Please e-mail me geo4u2@hotmail.com |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 14, 2003 1:58 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Wow, Sorry to hear that. I only know that I did mine from a floppy... You can probably do the same by setting up the floppy on a different system, and then putting it into the floppy drive and then powering up the computer... If that doesn't work, you may need to get into the BIOS and tell it to boot from the floppyt first. I don't think the PC is able to "work" from the CD the way the mac does. Shouldn't be too hard to get DOS on a floppy. Good Luck, Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 14, 2003 12:58 PM |
geo4u911 |
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I have read this discussion and the German board. To be more specific is it possible to boot a ME cd into DOS on a Machine that has Win2000 Pro on it that I can't get into because it is password protected and the owner has died. I also have a copy of Partiton Magic 7. THX |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 14, 2003 12:57 PM |
geo4u911 |
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I have read this discussion and the German board. To be more specific is it possible to boot a ME cd into DOS on a Machine that has Win2000 Pro on it that I can't get into because it is pass word protected and the owner has died. I als have a copy of Partiton Magic 7. THX |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 14, 2003 12:12 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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Read this whole discussion and follow the links. If you still don't have a clue, find a DOS friend. Also make sure the card you want to flash is a DDR card! SDRAM versions don't work. Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 13, 2003 8:36 PM |
geo4u911 |
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How do I flash a R7000 64mb on a Windows ME partition. I am Windows challenged. THX. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 12, 2003 2:15 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Reflashing my PC radeon (SAPPHIRE) with the moded slower 166/166Mhz ROM 208 fixed the Opengl flashing problem. Works PERFECTLY NOW. Marty PS no fan either as opposed to the Original Radeon Mac. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 12, 2003 1:46 PM |
tippingj |
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nmizgala- I can confirm that the #100-430295 works just fine. It is the identical card to the 32mb version & the Mac Edition (all use the same PCB), except it has the 64mb DDR. Works just fine in my Powerbase 200 PCI system. I haven't had any problems- except the corrupt screen when waking from sleep (deep sleep). |
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