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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 8:22 AM |
jseibyl |
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soory bout the dual post, got to pounding on the keyboard on this..... |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 8:18 AM |
jseibyl |
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I am cross platform. My main video machine is win 2k service pack 4, dual proc, 1.3 gigs RAM, 1/2 terabyte storage on RAID, FW DVD, scanner, four monitors, scsi, etc, etc. A good pro workstation which I built. It is dual boot 2k and XP Pro. I HATE XP. the only reason I have it is that one stinking peice of DVD authoring software (Pinnacle Impression Pro) gives me a preview, where it does not in 2k. Why?? no-one knows, I spent months searching for that answer and STILL don't have it, despite the fact that I build systems for hobby/cash, on BOTH sides. The interface of XP is downright stupid to me, it is not elegant, and the swap file usage is not that efficient, and the nice little fluffy crap Microsucks put in slows the machine down more than 2k, which does run fairly well admittedly. Have you seen screenshots of LongHorn?? Looks even stupider....... http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_aero.asp I won't even go into the liscencing crap, try changing your hardware several times on XP, you WILL have to re-register with MicroSuck to get YOUR stuff to work. It took me a couple of months to stabilise all the hardware, and now that it is I locked that machine down and still have a dialup on it as I am paranoid that something will f_ck it up from the outside, and I can't afford to let that happen. With my mac, I LOVE jag. It is running on an 8 year old 9500 that I got on EBay VERY cheap. It is stable considering what it is running on, it looks great, and it allows enough "under the hood" stuff to do EXACTLY what you want IF you know what you are doing. Try putting XP on an 8 year old wintel box, IF you can find one that still works. Admittedly, I am not a terminal guru, but I don't have to be. Jag is an amazing OS, I have tinkered with LINUX, and despite all the promise it offers, it is still a bit klunky to me. Jag is what LINUX SHOULD be, in my opinion. You talk about all the files that don't need to be on a jag install, have you looked at the registry of windoze, or all the other "extra" files it needs to run??? Do you know that XP and all windoze OS's saves ALL inet stuff to four files you can't just delete..... http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml just one example. If you are having trouble with your OS, then stick with what you know, Apple made a great decision, not an easy one, but they plan on being around for a while. I plan on getting a dual g5 when I retire my Windoze machine. Now that I have my chops up in Jag to do that comfortably, AND it won't be a problem as I will just clone my current install, complete with my software to tht machine. This is a MAC forum, if you want to switch to XP, fine, hope it works for you, but it really doesn't help to to be emotional and go off on a rant about the virtues of XP here. There are other sites for that. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 8:05 AM |
jseibyl |
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I am cross platform. My main video machine is win 2k service pack 4, dual proc, 1.3 gigs RAM, 1/2 terabyte storage on RAID, FW DVD, scanner, four monitors, scsi, etc, etc. A good pro workstation which I built. It is dual boot 2k and XP Pro. I HATE XP. the only reason I have it is that one stinking peice of DVD authoring software (Pinnacle Impression Pro) gives me a preview, where it does not in 2k. Why?? no-one knows, I spent months searching for that answer and STILL don't have it, despite the fact that I build systems for hobby/cash, on BOTH sides. The interface of XP is downright stupid to me, it is not elegant, and the swap file usage is not that efficient, and the nice little fluffy crap Microsucks put in slows the machine down more than 2k, which does run fairly well admittedly. Have you seen screenshots of LongHorn?? Looks even stupider....... http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_aero.asp I won't even go into the liscencing crap, try changing your hardware several times on XP, you WILL have to re-register with MicroSuck to get YOUR stuff to work. It took me a couple of months to stabilise all the hardware, and now that it is I locked that machine down and still have a dialup on it as I am paranoid that something will f_ck it up from the outside, and I can't afford to let that happen. With my mac, I LOVE jag. It is running on an 8 year old 9500 that I got on EBay VERY cheap. It is stable considering what it is running on, it looks great, and it allows enough "under the hood" stuff to do EXACTLY what you want IF you know what you are doing. Try putting XP on an 8 year old wintel box, IF you can find one that still works. Admittedly, I am not a terminal guru, but I don't have to be. Jag is an amazing OS, I have tinkered with LINUX, and despite all the promise it offers, it is still a bit klunky to me. Jag is what LINUX SHOULD be, in my opinion. You talk about all the files that don't need to be on a jag install, have you looked at the registry of windoze, or all the other "extra" files it needs to run??? Do you know that XP and all windoze OS's saves ALL inet stuff to four files you can't just delete..... http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml just one example. If you are having trouble with your OS, then stick with what you know, Apple made a great decision, not an easy one, but they plan on being around for a while. I plan on getting a dual g5 when I retire my Windoze machine. Now that I have my chops up in Jag to do that comfortably, AND it won't be a problem as I will just clone my current install, complete with my software to tht machine. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 2:00 AM |
john.england |
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I agree with everyone else, if you are having problems, you need to check your hardware. While OS X is somewhat flexible, it cannot do the impossible. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 1:24 AM |
lyonsdj88 |
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OS X is not a "shell" of UNIX it's full out 100% UNIX with AQUA sitting on top to help folks do things other than type all day. Window$ dumped most of the dos stuff with NT kernel based OS's (NT, XP, ME ,Win2k) while more stable it takes the power from the end user. While OS X, UNIX, is all about the Power of the end user. Try to install XP on a PC from '96 and post back with what you find. True, Apple dumped the old- world with X, but it was that or recall old HW. Dell or any other PC maker will not recall a PC that runs the OS it shipped with. Apple true failing was not offering trade up or new mombo's/CD/HD for the later PCI base mac's. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 1:13 AM |
lyonsdj88 |
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You want some 18 year old punk driving you car around town. You going to give him the keys to your house. UNIX is still around for a reason. ROCK SOLID, PORTABLE, SAFE. and now with Aqua easy to use for the every man. You really need to do your home work before you make claims. You tell me where the UNIX OS came form. And windows never broke anything with an update??? BTW CUPS CUPS CUPS. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 14, 2003 12:59 AM |
lyonsdj88 |
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While what you are saying may seem reasonable on the surface, if we dig deeper I think the truth will set you free. First you are installing OS X on a clone that has had no OS support for years(OS 8.1) It is 'hard' to get X going on this kind of Hard Ware. Now lets do a clean fresh install of OS X on a mac built from '98 up and an install of Window$ on a Dell. Mac put cd in drive and hold "C" read the installer? and click next next next. Dell boot holding the delete key fool around in you bios until you find the boot device page and make sure your cd drive is the first boot device exit and save. put the XP cd in the cd drive. boot wait.....wait.....wait.....wait....15 min's later on a 1.6ghz 400mzh FSB dell with 384mb PC266 ram, we are at some kind of install blue dos type screen. At this point most users go find a IT person or call their PC guru for HELP. Now read and chose to install. Now you get a screen to partition your HD no GUI no Help button just click and pray. Your not even close to done, but I think I've made my point on Install. Next lets look a post install, on the mac it looks better but XP's post is about the same. Now the runtime OS itself. I could go on and on at this point but I will defer to one word "security" do you want your data CC# and who knows what else willy nilly all over the internet, do you. BTW IPHOTO IMOVIE ITUNES SAMBA CUPS AIRPORT DISC-BURN IDVD DOCK DOCK DOCK FINDER ICHATAV.Boot from USB Boot from FW. PC list cheap, Games, games cheap games. If you want to play games cheap and can spend the time to update Window$ then sure go that way. I have both myself and the PC does play cheap games like a champ, but if it were one or the other my Dell would be a football.CUPS CUPS CUPS |
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RE: Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better |
October, 14, 2003 12:41 AM |
macguruguy |
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Are you going to keep replacing your hardware every time Apple releases a new update for OS X? Why is OS X so incompatible with the hardware it runs on?? Maybe because it's not very FLEXIBLE!!! |
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RE: Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better |
October, 14, 2003 12:38 AM |
macguruguy |
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What really pisses me off is that I'm not the average everyday computer user. I'm very knowledgeable about the original MacOS Macs. I've had solutions posted on assorted Mac websites. How in he heck does the average computer person who doesn't have a clue about computers use OS X and keep it running? Doesn't it strike anybody as strange that the NEW Mac OS X is a shell of UNIX? Doesn't that ring a bell? Like the way Windows was a shell of DOS? I thought Macs were suppose to be cutting edge? -- but UNIX is one of the oldest OS's around!!! |
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RE: Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better |
October, 14, 2003 12:21 AM |
macguruguy |
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I checked AND replaced DIMMS. I added new ATA hard drive. Checked jumpers. Have new accelerator card (800mhz G4) and Video Card (ATI 7000 Mac Edition). I even moved everything from PowerCenter Pro 210 board and enclosure into PowerTower Pro 225 Tower and board, per recommendations from THIS support forum. I've spent hours, and hours to try to get this running. Machine runs beautifully under 9.2.2 until I try to install OS X, which screws up everything, including OS 9 on different drive! I've had to restore from backups at least a dozen times. With all of the time and money I've spent on this, I could've easily bought a new G4 (dual bootable). But why would I want to? My fiance uses an OS X updated G4 at work and she has problems with it too. She also uses an XP Dell, and she says it's really nice. The XP machines I've seen are almost Mac-like anyway. Computing shouldn't be such a hassle. The BEAUTY of the original Mac OS software was that it was user friendly. Any good administrator could solve most hardware and software issues with ease. In fact, any idiot with a brain could fix OS 9 with a little help. I'm an administrator for a small printing company and have installed 2 Macintosh network here at work, and they have run fine for over 10 years. But switching to OS X after the crap I've dealt with on my home machine, and the comments I've heard from others, leads me to this question: If the mac is no longer a more pleasurable experience for the user and administrator than using a PC, why spend the extra money and be a minority in the computing world? There's far more information on PCs than there is for Macs. |
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Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better... |
October, 13, 2003 11:38 PM |
lyonsdj88 |
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Sounds like a great idea let's all trade Unix for Window$. Then I'd like to stick my pecker in a bee hive and smack it with a hammer until it stops hurting. Email me when you get to the window$ side and I'll send you all the good stuff you missed this year from clez to blaster! |
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RE: Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better |
October, 13, 2003 11:32 PM |
cjsconfections |
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Every problem that I have had with X has been hardware related. I had a somewhat stable system (several crashes a week under 9) with my current computer. It would not run with X of any version until I fixed the hardware. Below is a list of the problems: Bad dimm slot 2 flaky dimms bad hard drive bad cache on an accelerator card currently a bad sound card (not cpmpatible with my machine) Flaky usb card wrong jumpers on scsi drives or poor termination This system would run in 9, just not very well. After fixing the hardware problems, X has not crashed once in 9 months. I can crash it with bad hardware (as listed above) but not with good hardware. This machine (9600 with g4/450, 4 scsi drives, ide card with hd and cd burner, etc.) is very solid and evreything works except sound in. Ths same machine now booted into 9 is more stable than it was before but will still crash a few times a week. I use it in 9 with specific extension sets. Stop tinkering with the os and check your hardware |
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RE: Wow, OS X just really sucks!!! XP looks better |
October, 13, 2003 11:23 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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You're sick. Seek professional help. Marty |
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