radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 27, 2003 8:35 PM |
rsouder4 |
I'm running a 7500 w/ a radeon 7000 and all the other usual upgrades. I have OS 10.2.3 installed. Although the system has thus far run without problems, I notice that when booting into X, I have a black screen until the very end of the boot process. Is there any way to fix this??? |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
April, 06, 2003 10:17 AM |
tcompter |
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Just to add another datapoint, I have a Sonnet G4 800, Radeon 7000 Mac Edition (with 208 firmware patch applied), and OS X 10.2.4 running on my PowerCenter Pro, and even though I'm very careful to select the appropriate output device in the XPostFacto open firmware menu, I still see nothing until the blue screen. (Occasionally, I get the blue screen with background picture, and nothing else, but that's a different issue, I think. ) If I need to boot into single user mode, I have to switch my monitor cable (from the Sony Trinitron monitor) back to the on-board video connector. Thomas |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 24, 2003 10:57 AM |
cromberg |
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Thanks! The problem is that I have a KVM switch which apparently doesn't pass through the monitor ID codes. When I added a monitor ID dongle everything started working. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 23, 2003 3:24 AM |
lars |
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Sadly, this also depends on the display. My Sun LSA800 18.1 inch TFT works fine with OS9 & OSX with ROM 119, but not with ROM 208. So far for ïmproved"compatibility, as stated by ATI in the v208 ROM update
It seems the display does not send the the Radeon 7000 the required input, so it then decides to not work at all... |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 22, 2003 4:50 PM |
cromberg |
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I just purchased a radeon 7000 mac edition. It works fine in OS9 on my 8500, but I can't get it to work in OSX 10.2.4 using either XPostFacto output device menu, or the following OSX command suggested by lars: sudo nvram output-device="pci1/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A" Also, the ATI Displays app returns "ATI display product not found." So far, I've updated the radeon ROM to v208 and done a clean install of OSX to no avail. What am I doing wrong? |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 13, 2003 2:21 AM |
lars |
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Mosh, Did the command fail? if not, can you open a terminal, give the command ioreg, and send its output to me? (address is listed in the forum) |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 12, 2003 9:04 AM |
rschroedr1 |
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After installing 10.2 on a Umax J700 with a radeon 7000 card onto a Maxtor 40 gb drive with a 7.5 partion all I get at restart during the install is a black screen and that is all. I can't even boot from techtool 3 I have 3 ata drives on this setup. I'll have to master one of the drives to get back in and reformat the os x drive. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 12, 2003 8:55 AM |
moshdaddy |
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I did the sudo command and it did not work for me. I really, really don't want to boot into 9 because the atto card I am using never let me boot up when I was using 9 with the Radeon installed (See OS9 forum for the thread). Everything workds great under 10.23.....Any sugestions, barring shutting down, taking out my atto, booting in 9, doing the XpostFacto, booting in 10, shutting down, sticking the atto back in, booting back up. I know....I am just lazy, but if I have to strip my machine down one more time I will scream. Mosh |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 11, 2003 2:52 AM |
lars |
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You do not have to go back to OS9 to set the output-device: From my Howto: (Chorus: wewantsarch. wewantsearch. wewantsearch.) if you don't want to go back to 9 (Stay Pure!): sudo nvram output-device="pci1/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A" When typed into a Terminal window will set your output-device to the Radeon 7000. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 11, 2003 2:50 AM |
lars |
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You do not have to go back to OS9 to set the output-device: From my Howto: (Chorus: wewantsarch. wewantsearch. wewantsearch.) if you don't want to go back to 9 (Stay Pure!): sudo nvram output-device="pci1/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A" When typed into a Terminal window will set your output-device to the Radeon 7000. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 03, 2003 1:39 PM |
tconway735 |
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I did try again, got the spinning beach ball and finally message that I must restart. Seems each post in same session gets tougher and tougher. This is after a restart, so should work? |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 03, 2003 12:38 PM |
tconway735 |
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Two evenings ago I attempted to send a posting to this thread three times and each time it went into the spinning beach ball and I needed to force quit and/or restart each time. Last night I attempted another post and the same thing. That's why I sent "This is a test". Trying to figure out if it was a forum issue, a safari issue or maybe my system. Maybe I'll try again? |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
February, 03, 2003 12:14 PM |
tconway735 |
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This a test |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 31, 2003 3:43 PM |
wraith1 |
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I'm running Mac OSX (10.2.3) on a beige G3 MT. I have installed a Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/400, a Macally FW/USB PCI combo card and a Radeon 7000 (Mac Ed) card. I partitioned the internal ATA drive with a 7.8 gig boot volume and the remaining 50 gig partition supporting OS 9.2.2. I also have a couple of FW drives mounted. A small SCSI drive is connected too. But it is no longer "seen" by the system since the 10.2.3 update. Via an ethernet LAN the G3 is connected to a couple of iMacs, Epson 800 inkjet and HP LaserJet 2200DN printers and the network shares cable modem internet access via a Netgear RO318 router. I originally setup the G3 to function under OSX without benefit of XPF. Recently, I saw a blurb (on MacFixit or MacInTouch) about the upcoming XPF 3.0. I was interested in the FW boot option so I joined this forum. From reading the posts, I gather that I was lucky to have coaxed my beige Mac into accepting OSX. In advance of XPF 3.0's release, would there be any distinct advantages/risks to installing the current version of XPF? Is it practically possible? I appreciate your tolerance of my newbie questions. Rick |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 31, 2003 12:50 PM |
egonzales21 |
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TAC The latest drivers for the 7000 are included in 10.2.3. The drivers included in 10.2 work fine in old world machines. The firmware issue is separate. The latest is 208 and can be obtained from ATI website. You do not have to update the firmware to get 10.2 going. When you have your monitor/7000 working in OS9, launch Xpostfacto. In the open firmware menu, select an output-device that matches the 7000. This will allow you to monitor your progress during the install process of 10.2 Ed |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 30, 2003 11:18 PM |
tconway735 |
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This thread references my next TWO 9600 issues. 1- I installed the Radeon 7000 with the driver(s) from it's accompanying CD. As I read on the forums, some recommended the October '02(?) ATI update, and I thought I saw a recommendation for the drivers with the Jaguar install and then I read about the firmware update (and some disaster stories with that). A bit unsure, when the card misbehaved, I just switched the cable to the Orion card in the next slot from my deceased 7500 and dealt with other issues. (perhaps you saw my "2 Internal SCSI Hard Drives" adventure?) 2- After trying out (and loving) xPF/OSX on a 2 gig with OS9 on my 18 gig, I was ready to commit to vice versa. The first thing I did was install 9.2.2 on the 2 gig with 10.2.3 and then initialized the 18 in preparation to install X (13 gig partition and the rest for 9). Problems developed and I will pursue that strategy when the drive is replaced under warranty. Issue #2, however, has to do with xPostFacto. It resided on the 18 which got erased. I had an impression that I needed to restart to X from xPF but I haven't had any problems going back and forth using the startup disk control panel in 9. Looks like I'll need it for the firmware update though, so my hopefully soon X install on the 18 gig should make that a non-issue. My plan is to partition, install 9, launch xPF and install X to the other partition. Which ATI driver should I install? On both 9 and X? It sounds like the firmware gets installed in xPF? Thanks for any clarification. TAC |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 29, 2003 12:15 PM |
mjohnson1 |
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ken882, You have to boot into OS 9 to change the settings. After you change them and then click restart in XPF to boot into X again, it will function normally. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 29, 2003 10:46 AM |
ken882 |
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John, Thanks for the info. But I have a question. Is it possible to modify these XPF settings from within OS X? Or do I have to back to OS 9 to do this? And if I do this from OS 9, will I have to reinstall OS X, or will it come up normally, and under the newly-specified settings? |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 29, 2003 5:15 AM |
john.england |
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Guys, egonzales21 is absolutely correct. When you launch XPostFacto, select the "Open Firmware" menu, select the "output-device" selection and on the drop down menu you should see something like this "ATY, RV 100ad_A (CRT)". Select that and from now on everytime you launch your OS X setup through XPostFacto, you should be able to get the new Apple boot logo. Have fun! |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 28, 2003 10:17 PM |
ltking |
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Hi all: rsouder4, egonzales21, et al. rsouder4: are you referring to every boot up after your original install? Or are you referring to the original install boot up? Or both? If you are referring to the bootups after the original install, egonzales21, I don't guess I understand just what XPF has to do with the bootups after the original install? Can you teach me about this? Thanks, ltking |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 28, 2003 9:31 PM |
egonzales21 |
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ken 882 Yes you are correct. Normally the Radeon 7000 does not show up until the blue screen appears but it does not have to be this way for you or for rsouder4 or anyone. All one has to do is set up the output device correctly in Xpostfacto in the open firmware menu. Then you can see the boot process from the beginning. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 28, 2003 9:26 PM |
ken882 |
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rsouder4, I have a UMAX J700 and I'm also using the Radeon 7000 Mac Edition card. This card, when running under OS X will not begin to display anything until the boot process gets to the blue screen. So if you are used to seeing the initial part of the boot process with the gray apple screen, with the Radeon card, the screen will remain black during the period that the gray screen would have been displayed by other cards. This is documented on ATI's website here: http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/3986.html I timed the duration between a restart of my system and when the display activates to show the blue screen, and for me it took 2 minutes, 20 seconds. Fortunately, I had initially installed OS X using a different video card, so I had an idea of what was happening. For first-time installers, this delay is quite scary. In fact, the first time I encountered this, I thought that the install had failed, until after I came back to the computer after making lunch and saw that everything was fine after all. Hope this helps. Ken |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 28, 2003 7:54 PM |
rsouder4 |
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Thanks... guess I didn't read the XPostfacto documentation well enough. |
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RE: radeon 7000 & boot up |
January, 27, 2003 9:32 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Set up the appropriate output-device in the open firmware menu in XPostfacto. Reboot your computer back into OS 9 to launch XPostfacto then proceed to set up the output device. |