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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 13, 2003 8:49 AM |
brfransen |
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chibi, when you boot in Vebose mode how far does it get in the boot process before it hangs? Britney |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 13, 2003 2:35 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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Erm, that should read "I have a Sonnet Tempo Trio". Maybe I should proofread more often. ;) |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 13, 2003 2:34 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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I have a Sonnet Tempo (uses the same firmware as the ATA/133 for its HD part), using Firmware 3.5.0, which is required for >137 GB HDs, and I cannot, for the life of me get past the Mac logo screen when booting OS X 10.2 from the 200 GB HD I have (Western Digital Drivezilla w/ 8 MB Cache). Whenever I try to boot, I get a kernel panic. And with the 200 GB HD connected, I cannot boot from the installer CD either. I've tried formatting the HD both in OS 9.1 and in OS X (did the OS X format when I first formatted it). Nothing's worked. I would sure love to get this HD working for OS X 10.2, because it'd be a lot faster than anything else I have. If anybody has a clue (or beta firmware) that would help, I'd be grateful to get this working! |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 13, 2003 1:40 AM |
marcush |
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I bought an ATTO UL2D from OWC but could never get it to work properly. I did not suspect a conflict between it and my then ATA card (Acard ATA/133). I have essentially dropped SCSI altogether in my PTP except for the built-in, which I use for my Umax S-6E scanner. It was more trouble than it was worth anymore. I must say that even with years of SCSI troubleshooting experience I don't see any practical day-to-day difference between SCSI and ATA drives. The 7200rpm ATA drives are just as good for the high performance uses I put them too. Namely, DV capture. I still use SCSI drive exclusively in my linux file server. |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 12, 2003 10:10 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Very interesting. The problem is an open firmware overload. I bet the reason your old card worked is because the Radeon is dual-output and does something in OF that the IMS TwinTurbo does not. I am going to try a simpler ultrawide SCSI card with only one channel instead of the two channel UL2D. This may work. I remember trying the ATTO and Tempo Trio along with an old Rage Orion card that I had and this did not work. This would be similar to your setup except for I believe would be the dual channel SCSI. If others are using an ATTO card and Tempo Trio like card along with a SCSI card, please let me know what it is. Thanks again for the info Britney. |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 12, 2003 8:42 PM |
brfransen |
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My machine is a PowerTower Pro which is very similar to the 9500. It has six pci slots but no built in video. I am currently using an ATI Radeon (the orginal, not the 7000) and it did work with either the SCSI card or the ATA card but not both. However when I put in my old IMS TwinTurbo it booted with both cards installed. How is that for weird? I am pretty sure that others (Marcus I think) have used both an ATA card and ATTO SCSI card together without issue. Britney |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 12, 2003 12:04 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Britney I have no idea, Like you the cards all work fine in OS 9 but not in OS X. I have asked Sonnet for an answer as to why the difference when using both systems but have had no answer. For me ATTO is no help because the UL2D is no longer supported. My experience seems to point to bootable firmware. If the SCSI card uses firmware to boot (which almost all modern cards do) it interferes with the booting firmware of the Tempo. By the way I bought a cheapo SCSI card, an SIIG FastSCSI Pro which only provides an external port at 10 MB/sec (wow) so I could at use my SCSI tape drive. This does work. The secret is that it has no capability to boot. This card is much like the Adaptec 2906 but without an internal connection. I figure for the 10 MB/sec rate I would stick with the built in internal SCSI. I will email Sonnet once again to let them know of my progress. I guess one solution would be for Sonnet to provide firmware for some users that have no intention of using their cards for booting but for using ATAPI drives like the Pioneer DVR-105. I bet the cards would then work fine. From Sonnet's perspective they have been very helpful thus far to explain the situation. However I really feel they could do more to help this situation. Their main target audience is the Old World Machines and thus should indeed know the limitations of open firmware in these machines. They insist that they tested these type of machines with 3 cards in place with no problems. I suspect none were bootable SCSI cards and have asked them for a list of such cards tested. Does your machine have built in video? I forgot to mention that if you use both Tempo and ATTO in two slots with the built in video of my 7500/8500 then they do coexist; however this video solution ruins any ability to do things like DVD watching, etc,etc, etc Good Luck. I hope we both find answers soon. |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 12, 2003 8:45 AM |
brfransen |
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I am booting my SCSI drive off of a SCSI card. The SCSI card is an Apple53C875Card according to ASP. It was a pull out of a Beige G3 I think and is basically a ATTO ExpressPCI. I will try pulling the SCSI card and trying the ATA card. So why does this problem not occur in 9? Is this something Xpostfacto could possibly fix? Are there any SCSI cards out there that don't conflict with ATA cards? I could swear that I have read about people using both. Thanks, Britney |
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RE: Can't boot X with Sonnet Tempo ATA133 in PTP |
January, 11, 2003 10:20 PM |
egonzales21 |
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How are you booting your SCSI drive? Internal chain or PCI card. I have a Tempo Trio which is essentially a Tempo 133. I have two SCSI drives connected to an ATTO UL2D card. The two are not compatabile. The problem is that the firmware used by Sonnet is loaded very early to allow booting. The ATTO card does essentially the same. There lies the problem. Apparently due to firmware limitations in old world machines, two cards with firmware used to create bootable drives are a no go. As long as I use either one card or the other everything is fine. That means physically out of the machine. For me therefore I have to choose between SCSI or ATA. The reason I got the ATA was to try to get a DVR-105 as well and see if I could use iDVD. |